June 5, 2011

Why People Think Free Will or Lack Thereof Matters

I had fun sharpening swords with Marc Cortez over at Scientia et Sapientia last week over the Christian view of personal freedom.  We might also call this the “Calvinism – Arminianism” debate to make it more easily recognizable, but it’s really a much broader set of issues. Marc’s intention in his series of posts is to help establish a common ground so that we can all discuss theses matters more charitably and, perhaps, efficiently. Criticizing people for things they don’t believe doesn’t help discussion too much.

So I thought I would set up some of my own clarifications because I’m not sure I really agree with all the comonalities that Marc outlined, or that they are the best approach to the question. I know, isn’t this twisted? We can’t even agree on what we have in common! Many people say, “Who cares about such an abstract and contentious issue anyway?” Sometimes I also think such things. Though I would never verbalize it in certain company. On the other hand, there are two things that keep me coming back to this set of questions.

First, I’m a sucker for a good philosophical/theological discussions, and this is the mother of all theological/philosophical discussions. It even gets into science, psychology and probably other areas too. On issues like this, if people accuse me of being too abstract or too theoretical or of wasting my time on impractical matters, I just go, “Yea, I know, it’s only rock and roll but I like it.” Point being, some of us like this sort of thing and that’s reason enough to get into it. Others like watching football or reading novels. That’s fine too.

Second, the reason this issue is so fascinating and contentious is that it does have practical implications; or maybe it’s better to say quasi-practical implications; or meta-practical implications. In many cases, people who disagree with each other about free will do the same things: they pray, they live a Christian ethic, they evangelize, they study scripture, etc. BUT the crucial issue is that they think differently about the things they do based on their view of free will. And this matters a lot!

Let’s take the example of prayer. The free willer thinks that when he is praying, he is asking God to do things which might not have happened if he had not decided to pray. But the other perspective sees it differently: for them prayer is our participation in what God has already determined will occur. There is no question in this second, “determinist” view that what God has purposed will happen. But in the first view, the matter has not necessarily been decided ahead or time. It can significantly depend on independent human input.

To me these “meta-practical” issues seem extremely important. Each person has his or her motivation for doing the things they do. I suggest that this is actually one of the most important reasons for our ongoing debates about these issues.

I’f I’m inspired and get some reader input, I might do some more on this issue. What do you all think? Or it too impractical?

6 Responses to Why People Think Free Will or Lack Thereof Matters

  • I don’t think so really.

    I think free will is a reality, but God knows all our choices as free as they may be, sets them up with orchestrations both in both cause and effect, before and after. This may not seem like free will and from His perspective it may not be… but, we all (saved and unsaved), make our choices of our own volition and according to our character, whether noble or ignoble.

  • Nathan Diaz says:

    I think the free will discussion is important. But even more important is doing it in a respectful and loving manner considering the Biblical basis for both sides. I remember how angry people (in my experience Arminians) would get when this issue would come up when I was at Bible college. I feel the importance of the issue because it’s in the Bible. So let’s keep talking about it without feeling like you have to reject and despise one side to embrace the other.

    Having said that, I have leaned more and more towards a fuller acceptance of God’s sovereignty as I study the Bible, as the ultimate factor that assures that his ultimate purpose in history is fulfilled. I think we don’t realize just how much God is the ultimate player in the unfolding of history.
    I have been saved from sin and condemnation, I love Jesus and the Word of God, but all these things are not merely the result of me being smarter in my choices than others. Something else happened than mere human wisdom in choice. Something supernatural that originated with God’s command “Let there be light” (2 Cor. 4:6).

    • robahas says:

      Hi Nathan – Angry arminians, obnoxious calvinists – those are the cliche extremes. Let’s not be cliche. The observation I liked best from Marc was that both sides believe in sovereignty. What makes this debate unique is that it so quickly leads to spiritual accusations. The views are connected to obedience and submission issues. For example, to the statement that I believe humans participate in the salvation choice someone responds (eyebrow raised, slightly offended tone): “So, you’re saying that you saved yourself?” I think that much of the fault for this lies in hands of the popularizers of these spiritually loaded takes on each position (a distortion going the other way are that Calvinists don’t care about evangelism). I’m really glad, though, that more and more people seemed to be happy to discuss the issues charitably.

  • Nathan Diaz says:

    I agree! Sorry about the cliche about Arminians… I love both sides although I tend to feel more at home with Calvinists (that have a balanced view).

    • robahas says:

      No worries Nathan, I wasn’t thinking you were guilty of the cliche. More like there are people who are living walking cliches, you know?

  • Nathan Diaz says:

    yes… sadly, I know.

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